Free download "In conversation with President Trump" (1:20:35) (2024)

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here we go

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everybody hello Mr President great time

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I love that house he has I love David's

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house what a house that made the biggest

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impression huh than you sir I heard you

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have a pretty nice house too yeah I have

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a we're in a nice house we like it's

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only worth 18 million right we like I

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know the judge said 18 million people

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said Palm Beach has gone down a long

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way hello

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everybody let your winners ride

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Rainman

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David and instead we open source it to

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the fans and they've just G

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crazy thanks so much for sitting down

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with us Mr President the all-in pods

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basically the the four of us having

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conversations it's kind of a spectrum of

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different views we got sort of like a

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little bit of some Fox News and then

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some msdnc at the same time so oh that's

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okay keeps it interesting yeah

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absolutely anyway tamamo and I we we had

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a great time at the at the fundraiser

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that we did a couple weeks ago I think

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it turned out great turned out great and

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I I heard the winlos brothers are

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actually announcing that they're

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donating a million dollars each in

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Bitcoin to you tomorrow so I think

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that's a great result to come out of it

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as well yeah got to meet them for the

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first time at your house and terrific

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terrific they they did well they might

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have started the whole thing I don't

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know I don't know I don't know if that

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court case was proper but uh they were

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very nice both of them absolutely really

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nice guys you know and I think maybe

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this is a good place to start in our

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conversation is you know one of the

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things I think we heard a lot at that

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dinner was just the the difficulty that

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people in business were having under

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this Biden Administration you got the

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crypto guys who just want a framework

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they just want the government to tell

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them how to operate and they can't get

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that you got no m&a happening right now

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in Tech

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the real estate guys they can't get

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loans because the interest rates are

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through the roof and there's a credit

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crunch so I think one of the common

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themes we just heard across that dinner

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was that it was just so hard to do

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business right now and I guess maybe a

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good place to start would just be you

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know what what's the number one thing

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maybe the top three things that you

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would do to kind of get things moving

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again you know if you're reelected so I

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say regulation regulation and taxes okay

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you I gave the biggest tax cut in the

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history of our country a lot to business

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it took it down from look as you know

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they were paying people companies were

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paying 40% 45% including state and city

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taxes in many cases and we got it down

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to 21% would like to get it down lower

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actually but uh we got it down and the

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revenues were were better than ever even

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with the lower rate we had a record

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record revenues which tells you a little

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bit about that but also the regulations

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and when I asked a lot of people a lot

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of big people a lot of corporate types

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big corporate types I said if you had

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your choice between just the taxes or

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just the regulations where did I do

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better he said the regulations I was the

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biggest cutter of regul in four years I

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cut more regulations at anybody by four

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no by far not not even close and when I

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spoke to different people about the

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regulation versus the taxes I I don't

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think I've ever had anybody say and the

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taxes were a massive cut you know from

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37 38% if you look at it just there to

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21% I don't think I ever had anybody say

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that the taxes were more important than

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the regulation Cuts I made it possible

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to build I made it possible to do things

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to invest I was able to get uh companies

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with a lot of money outside of the USA

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to bring that money back in you know we

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cut the rate and it was crazy the rate

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was like 55% so that means if they bring

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the money back they lose half that money

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before they even start but it was also

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uh impossible from a standpoint a

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structural standpoint a legal standpoint

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it was very hard and they were able to

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bring back I mean Apple's an example

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they brought hundreds of billions of

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dollars back from other countries into

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the United States and invested it here

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so uh but it's it's very interesting

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because I ask the question all the time

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which was more important and almost

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everybody said I did an even better job

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and I got the biggest tax cuts the

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biggest tax cuts bigger than the Reagan

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tax cuts but they found regulations and

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the regulation Cuts were even more

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effective and that's where we had the

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great economy and that's where we had

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the most jobs ever produced so there's

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this odd thing that happens in certain

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states where taxes keep going up and

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then you start to see the states break

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right productivity breaks crime goes up

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and quality of life goes down but then

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people don't understand that taxation

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and all of those things are correlated

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do you have an idea of why that is like

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why don't people understand universally

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that lower taxation is better for

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productivity well they don't understand

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it and it's such an interesting question

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because you look at some of these places

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like Chicago and New York and and la and

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so many more you know I'd hate to even

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mention the three because there are

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worse examples than that you look at

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what's happened in Oakland and you look

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at what's happened into some cities that

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are disappearing I mean they're

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literally just crime waves that nobody

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lives there except for criminals because

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you can't live there you can't survive

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there physically you can't survive there

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and when you look at the kind of crime

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that we're talking about and then they

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take the power away from the police the

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police can't do anything if they do

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anything to stop it they end up losing

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their pension their house their family

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they end up losing everything they get

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put in jail and we're not talking about

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the Rogue cops who do something really

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bad and should be taken care of badly

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you know be nasty you got to be nasty to

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them also but mostly I mean they they

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these people they want to really like

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99% they want to stop crime they hate to

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see it they're not allowed to even

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they're told not to do anything when you

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see a department store that was so proud

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they opened up a new store in a certain

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city and all of a sudden this over the

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last couple of years has happened this

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phenomena where 500 usually young people

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walk into the store and take everything

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they have masks on they walk out with

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television sets air conditioners they

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walk out with everything this is a new

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phenomena that's taking place and it's

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it's incredible uh look at drugstores

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look at what's going on like in New York

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you walk into a chain I've seen it twice

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I don't walk into too many drugstores

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but I used to love it I used to love to

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walk around and just look at what it is

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whether it's a drugstore or department

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store but they told me just a little

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while ago I had a meeting with some

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people and they say you walk into a

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drugstore in New York and everything's

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covered up with bars and glass and if

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you want just a little thing of aspirin

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or if you want to buy a toothbrush you

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have to wait a half an hour to get a

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clerk and they open up this vault and

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they give you a toothbrush or they give

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you it's how do you do business like

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that this is a phenomenon there's never

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been anything like this they didn't used

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to have theft of of even the most minor

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items they they had very little theft

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relatively speaking they didn't have

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theft but they had the police would

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arrest them if they did something today

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they don't they have limits sometimes if

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you steal less than $2,000 you don't get

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arrested so nobody steals more than

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$2,000 uh it's incredible when you see

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what's happened to the quality of life

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in our country and it's happened so

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quickly it's it's taken place so rapidly

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nobody's ever seen anything but you look

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at retail and I know the big deal it

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used to be a big deal when a department

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store moved into a city or you know a

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certain store opened up even in a town

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but it's usually the Democrat run big

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cities where this problem is taking

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place and I don't say that as a

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republican I just say you look at the 25

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cities the top problems they're just

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about all Dem Democrat the Democrat run

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and they're also High tax High

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regulation States yeah no cash bail all

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all of these different things that have

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taken place they're phenomena it's a

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phenomena what's what's going on

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nobody's ever seen anything like it and

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it has to be stopped it's a horrible

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quality of life and on top of that you

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can't walk to a store you end up getting

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shot or mugged or something the level of

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crime in the cities in these big cities

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is is out of control nobody has ever

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seen anything like it Mr Mr President

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can I can I just ask on your point about

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the tax cut Larry Summers made a comment

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the other day and I thought maybe you

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could respond to his tweet that the tax

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cuts coupled with the tariffs that

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you've proposed would cause a massive I

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think he called it the mother of all

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stagflation where you would have kind of

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inflation because of the tariffs you

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would have economic decline because more

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money would start to fund an increase in

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prices with tax coming down tax cuts

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being put in place can you maybe just

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comment on on on

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the comment made by Larry Summers and

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how we Implement tax cuts without

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inflation well let me say that I respect

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Larry Summers a lot he's been right

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about a lot of things and Obama and

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Biden have been wrong uh certain things

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that he said turned out to be true

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certain things and uh he really I do

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have a good respect for him he's a

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different kind of a guy and he speaks

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his mind I happen to be a big believer

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in tariffs because I think tariffs give

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you two things they give you economic

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gain but they also give you political

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gain if if a country is out of control

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and something having nothing to do with

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economics or having nothing to do with

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with money coming in or money going out

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but other things that are very political

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because there are a lot of other things

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involved in countries you have

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tremendous power over a country now not

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everybody can say that but we can

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because we're the big piggy bank but our

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piggy bank is going to get smaller and

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smaller all the time because we're

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losing power we're losing a lot of you

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know countries on the dollar I mean

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they're going like flies if we ever lose

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that that's the equivalent of losing a

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war that would be unbel that would

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really make us third world we have lost

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so many countries I looked the other day

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so Russia's gone uh you you take a look

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Ukraine doesn't sort of exist in a sense

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nobody knows what's going on there but

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when you look at China is essentially

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gone they're trying to get out of it

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they want they're a primary competitor

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uh uh Iran is not there the other day I

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read weest Saudi Arabia is is willing to

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now go in various different currencies

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onstead of the dollar this is a tragedy

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this is a big thing that's happening

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against our country and we cannot let

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that happen with tariffs it gives you a

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tremendous power as an example not to

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let that happen you say you want to do

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that we're going to put tariffs on your

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product coming into the United States

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but more importantly and and that's a

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big importance but probably of more

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importance is they tax us we ask them

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reciprocal trade I think we should have

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a reciprocal trade act if China's going

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to charge us a $100 tariff or 100% tarff

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on a car then we should say you're got

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to pay 100% to us you know I put on a

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large tariff on China cars coming in and

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it had a huge impact a huge positive

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impact but and Biden only is doing the

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electric cars I don't know why that is

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because the electric cars they're going

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to end up all being made in China by the

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way they're not going to be made here

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the United Auto Workers are going to

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take a blow like no unions between that

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and people coming in pouring into our

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country uh unions are getting absolutely

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decimated absolutely president Trump the

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reciprocal the reciprocal Act is I think

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a very important thing when these

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countries and I don't mean just China we

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have other countries you could take the

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European Union they don't want our farm

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product and they don't want our cars and

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they don't want anything we have a

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massive deficit right there but you

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could go with many countries and they

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essentially do things to us and we

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should do things to them basically it

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should be reciprocal one of the things

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we've talked about President Trump on

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this podcast a lot is the deficit under

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your Administration we added close to 8

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trillion under Biden it's going to be

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paradoxically about the same number

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seems incredibly unpopular in Washington

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to cut costs but that's something we're

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going to need to do what's your plan and

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it looks like you're going to win a

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second term here what's your plan in

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your second term to control spending can

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you get it under control is there the

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will in Washington to allow how you to

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do that well the biggest thing I think

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is growth because we can grow our way

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out as an example we have more Liquid

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Gold under our feet I used the term we

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have more oil we have more Wells we have

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more everything than anybody else when I

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started we were number three now we're

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number one we were number one he's going

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to keep it that way until after the

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election if they ever won the election

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there's no more oil coming out there's

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no more oil they were going down oil is

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what caused the inflation you'd have

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nothing coming out it would be a

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disaster so

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they were intelligent enough to let the

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the oil wells continue to go they're not

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happy about it but if this election were

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won by them I can tell you right now you

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would be we would see oil go through the

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roof because they would really close it

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up already they're taking out of the

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Strategic reserves just for politics

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because they want to try and keep the

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prices down as low as possible but the

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big thing we have tremendous growth

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potential and we have tremendous numbers

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of dollars that can be saved through a

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efficiency the way we're spending money

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hundreds of billions of dollars what

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Biden did with with the trillions of

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dollars that he borrowed for Co now I

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had a different situation we were

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getting ready to start paying off debt

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we were getting ready to make a lot we

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had the greatest economy in history I

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had to throw a lot of money at Co in

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order that we didn't end up in a 1929

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type depression which we could still end

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up in now because of what they've done

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but I threw a lot of money

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and we ended up not in a depression and

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then we ended up with a very strong you

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know we I ended up with a higher stock

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market than it was just previous to co

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coming in which was pretty much of a

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miracle according to most but we had to

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throw money out there in order to keep

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our country going we would have ended up

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if I didn't do that we would have ended

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up in a depression the problem is when

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Biden came in he took trillions and

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trillions of dollars for Co he didn't

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use it for Co he used it for other

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things but he took trillions of dollars

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out and that caused a lot of the

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inflation energy caused his energy

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policies caused inflation and his

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spending the The Unbelievable spending

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that they did caused inflation

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tremendous inflation and it's going to

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have an impact for a long time to come

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can you talk about your impoundment

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Authority intention you mentioned that

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in the past that you could go in and

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reduce the bureaucracy and the spend I

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always tell people my position going

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into the election is less that I'm

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interested in knowing what the

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government's going to do for me and I'm

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more interested in knowing what the

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government's going to stop doing that

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doesn't do any good for anyone and there

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seems to be a lot of that and I'm really

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curious to hear sir how you think about

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using the impoundment authority vested

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in you as president of the United States

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to reduce some of the bureaucracy

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wasteful spending and create

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accountability and what's you know is

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there a team that that you've built

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around you to help build a specific plan

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on backing out of some of these issues

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right we have a lot of money floating

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around that should be brought back into

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the government should be given back to

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DC to Washington as you know there was a

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lot of money given out over the last

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couple of years especially over the list

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my money was given out to help us with

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Co then they took money and they have no

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idea what they're even doing with it

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that money can be given back and it

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should be given back and things can be

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done with that money that are are

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positive but we have there are many many

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things I'll give you an example uh

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education we spend more on education per

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pupil than any other country we spend no

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numbers that are and yet we're we're

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terrible at it we're down at the bottom

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of the list and yet we're at the top of

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the list I would give I am going to very

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early in the administration we're going

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to send education back to the States

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we're going to give them approximately

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half the number of dollars and they're

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going to have so much money that like

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they've never had before because they

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can spend a fraction of what we're

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spending right now and have much better

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school systems as an example you go to

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very you could name many you go to

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Nebraska you go to Iowa you go to many

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states will do a far better job than

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we're doing right now and they'll do it

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for a fraction of the cost we'll save a

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tremendous amount of money and have

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better some states I don't believe will

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do a very good job but they can have to

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learn to but we have uh I would say most

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of our states will do a much better job

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I think all of them will do better than

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you can't do worse than what we're doing

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right now but all of them will do better

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but some will be absolutely

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education Factory in a positive sense

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factories

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we are going to close up education we'll

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have a tiny little group to make sure

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everyone's teaching at least English and

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perhaps proper math etc etc but very

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little Department of Education goes and

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education goes back to the States and

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where it belongs I mean where it

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absolutely belongs and you're going to

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save a lot of money uh you can look at

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interior with that you can look at uh

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environmental with a lot of that where

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the environment can be controlled by the

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states instead of this big bureaucracy

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in Washington DC I mean what do you do

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when China is burning all the coal and

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they're sending the co they're sending

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the ashes over the United States because

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that's what happens takes three and a

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half days and it blows over the United

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States in the meantime we're keeping

00:17:45

things good we produce Clean Coal we're

00:17:47

going to produce clean energy but we

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have to get back to energy we're

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spending trillions of dollars uh on

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artificial weak energy that's not going

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to to fire up our plants our plants have

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to be fired up we have a phenomena

00:18:03

coming up right now and I was talking

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about it the other day to David and

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that's AI a little things simple two

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little simple letters but it's big and I

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realized the other day more than

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anything when we were at David's house

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and talking to a lot of geniuses from

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Silicon Valley and other places they

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need electricity at levels that nobody's

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ever experienced before to have to be

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successful to be a lead in AI the amount

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of electricity that needs like double

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what we have right now and even triple

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what we have right now they are they are

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it's incredible how much they need to be

00:18:41

the leader and we're going to have to be

00:18:43

able to do that and a windmill turning

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with its blade knocking out the birds

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and everything else is not going to be

00:18:49

able to make us competitive you'll have

00:18:51

China about what about what about

00:18:53

nuclear Mr President yeah so let me just

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give you a statistic on this China

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building 150 nuclear reactors and

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they're only spending about $2,500 a

00:19:02

kilowatt in the US we're not building

00:19:04

any and our cost to build them is about

00:19:06

$10,000 bucks a kilowatt and China's

00:19:08

about to build as much capacity as 20%

00:19:11

of the total us production in nuclear we

00:19:14

clearly have a problem here in nuclear

00:19:16

we do and uh nuclear is okay with me and

00:19:18

what we're doing is you know if you look

00:19:20

at Alabama you look at a couple of

00:19:22

states where they built these plants and

00:19:23

they had Coast overruns that are

00:19:25

nobody's ever seen anything like it

00:19:27

where they're costing 25 billion doll to

00:19:29

build a plant there were a couple of

00:19:31

them built in the South I won't mention

00:19:33

the places but you know the places and

00:19:34

they came out at numbers at I think the

00:19:36

most expensive things ever built in our

00:19:38

country and the inspectors would go in

00:19:40

they say those walls aren't thick enough

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knock them down and build another wall

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and you know the environmental people

00:19:46

were brutal you know in France and in

00:19:48

other places where they do have a lot of

00:19:50

nuclear they build small plants all the

00:19:53

same and if they need double the amount

00:19:54

they'll build two of them as opposed to

00:19:56

the nonsense that we've done where we

00:19:59

build these massive plants and they

00:20:02

never get built and they have cost

00:20:03

overruns of of 3 4 500% nobody's ever

00:20:07

seen anything like it no I'm okay with

00:20:11

that makes sense and they they have

00:20:13

nuclear applications today that can be

00:20:16

built and can be built reasonably

00:20:18

inexpensively but nuclear certainly is

00:20:21

very strong power can I shift the

00:20:22

conversation of foreign policy just for

00:20:24

a minute just make sure we get we get

00:20:25

time to talk about foreign policy is

00:20:27

that okay with you guys yes Mr President

00:20:29

I've really appreciated your your

00:20:30

comment saying that you want to bring a

00:20:32

peace deal to the war in Ukraine so that

00:20:34

people stop dying and I wholeheartedly

00:20:36

agree with with that sentiment but I've

00:20:38

seen that Emanuel macron the president

00:20:40

of France is talking about actually

00:20:42

putting NATO troops or French troops in

00:20:45

Ukraine as potentially a next step and

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that could be a tripwire for more NATO

00:20:49

troops coming in can you guarantee that

00:20:52

no matter what you're not going to put

00:20:54

American boots on the ground in Ukraine

00:20:56

is that something you can say

00:20:57

definitively gu it I wouldn't do it no

00:21:00

it's different for France you know

00:21:02

they're neighbors more or less we have

00:21:03

an ocean in between it's different for

00:21:06

Germany although Germany's much less

00:21:08

involved than they should be and other

00:21:10

countries but uh you know we have a big

00:21:12

ocean in between one of the things I

00:21:14

think is so unfair David I think it's

00:21:16

terrible is that we're giving probably

00:21:19

we're at least a hundred billion dollar

00:21:21

more than Europe meaning Europe as as a

00:21:24

whole put together and the economies are

00:21:27

similar size Believe it or not that put

00:21:29

together and us is about a very similar

00:21:32

economy size but it's much more

00:21:34

important for them it's important for

00:21:36

everyone you have to have look this

00:21:39

would have never happened if I were

00:21:40

president it would have never Putin

00:21:42

would have never done it and it happened

00:21:44

for two reasons it also happened because

00:21:46

oil went through the roof and he had he

00:21:48

had all this money to prosecute the war

00:21:51

but the oil was at a much lower level

00:21:54

the price of oil he wouldn't have been

00:21:55

able to afford the war all of a sudden

00:21:57

when it hit almost $100 a barrel he said

00:22:00

you know I mean he he's one of the few

00:22:02

to make money during a war because the

00:22:04

oil has gone and it stayed very high

00:22:06

it's extremely high right now and it's

00:22:08

going up oil prices all over the country

00:22:10

are going up as you probably have

00:22:11

noticed but yeah I will tell you that

00:22:14

would have never happened Ukraine would

00:22:16

have ha never happened uh the Israeli

00:22:18

attack would have never happened and

00:22:20

inflation would have never happened

00:22:21

those are three big things inflation

00:22:23

would have never happened but with

00:22:25

Ukraine and now it's very much uh look

00:22:29

Ukraine is now I read the other day

00:22:31

where they don't have the soldiers they

00:22:33

don't have the Manpower they want to use

00:22:35

uh children they want to use old people

00:22:38

very old people people that are not

00:22:40

really perhaps uh equipped to fight uh

00:22:44

they're not the average age of their

00:22:45

Soldier is like 43 now so they're

00:22:47

running out of they're literally running

00:22:48

out of people to make a peace deal there

00:22:50

would you be willing to take NATO

00:22:52

expansion off the table if that's what

00:22:53

it took to get the Russians and the

00:22:56

ukrainians to make a deal would you be

00:22:57

willing to do that for 20 years I heard

00:22:59

that NATO if Ukraine goes into NATO it's

00:23:02

a real problem for Russia I've heard

00:23:04

that for a long time and I think that's

00:23:07

really why this war started I'm not sure

00:23:09

that this war would have started uh

00:23:11

Biden was saying all of the wrong things

00:23:13

and one of the wrong things he was

00:23:15

saying no Ukraine will go into NATO

00:23:17

that's one of the many things he said

00:23:19

when I listen to him speak I said this

00:23:22

guy is going to start a war because as

00:23:24

you know for four years there was never

00:23:26

even talk of Russia going into to

00:23:29

Ukraine that would have never happened

00:23:30

Russia was not going to attack Ukraine

00:23:33

as soon as I got out they started to

00:23:34

form along the lines and I thought that

00:23:37

Putin maybe will he's a good negotiator

00:23:39

I thought he was going to be doing that

00:23:40

for negotiation purposes then all of a

00:23:42

sudden they attacked and I said what's

00:23:44

going on here but if you look at the

00:23:46

rhetoric from Biden uh he he was saying

00:23:50

the opposite of what in my opinion you

00:23:52

had to say the things he was saying and

00:23:54

he's still saying it he's saying things

00:23:56

that are so crazy inflammatory yeah I

00:24:00

100% agree and you know it turns out

00:24:02

that the month before the Russians

00:24:03

invaded blinkin told lavro that the

00:24:07

administration was not only going to

00:24:09

bring Ukraine into NATO but that they

00:24:11

thought it was okay for the United

00:24:12

States to put nuclear weapons in Ukraine

00:24:15

so no wonder the Russians hit the roof I

00:24:17

mean you talk about uh provocation well

00:24:20

let's say you were running Russia you

00:24:22

wouldn't be too happy and that's always

00:24:23

been off the table you know they're it's

00:24:26

a border and it's always been you know I

00:24:29

don't think that they would have if they

00:24:31

thought that that was going to remain

00:24:33

sort of a territory where you don't have

00:24:35

NATO but they don't want to have

00:24:37

soldiers right on their border they

00:24:38

don't want to have it it's always been

00:24:39

understood and that's even before Putin

00:24:42

uh it's always been understood that that

00:24:44

was a no no and now you can go against

00:24:47

their wishes and it doesn't mean they're

00:24:48

right when they say that but that was

00:24:51

very provocative and now it's even more

00:24:53

provocative and they're talking about uh

00:24:55

I hear routinely they're now talking

00:24:57

about Ukraine entering NATO and now I

00:25:00

hear France wants to go in a fight well

00:25:02

I wish him a lot of luck I think good

00:25:04

luck sir can I ask you about Israel

00:25:07

Palestine so after October 7th what's

00:25:11

the right path to just resolve this once

00:25:13

and for all and just move forward again

00:25:15

it's so sad to me because it would have

00:25:17

never happened Iran was broke they had

00:25:21

no money I sanctioned countries that

00:25:24

wanted to buy oil from Iran and I would

00:25:26

have made a fair deal with Iran I was

00:25:28

going to get along with Iran I was going

00:25:30

to get along with everybody we did the

00:25:32

Abraham Accords I think eventually Iran

00:25:34

would have been in the Abraham Accords

00:25:36

we had four strong countries go in and

00:25:40

nobody went in since I got out that

00:25:42

whole thing should have been loaded up

00:25:43

right now would have it should have been

00:25:44

full they did nothing with the Abraham

00:25:47

Accords that everybody said were great

00:25:49

they said we're going to get the

00:25:50

Ultimate Prize because of that it was

00:25:52

amazing if anybody else did it if a

00:25:54

Democrat did it they would have they

00:25:56

would have gotten what they would have

00:25:58

gotten every prize in the book every

00:26:00

prize in the book but I did it and it

00:26:03

was a great thing that we did it was a

00:26:04

phenomenal thing but when you look at

00:26:06

what happened now and you see what's

00:26:08

going on it's very very very very sad

00:26:11

that attack would have never happened in

00:26:12

a million years Iran didn't have the

00:26:15

money for Hamas they didn't have the

00:26:17

money for Hezbollah they didn't have the

00:26:18

money for any of the 28 other cells of

00:26:21

Terror or whatever you want to call them

00:26:24

Iran was broke I say respectfully they

00:26:27

had no money and they weren't given

00:26:29

money and actually it was a big story

00:26:30

when I was uh toward the end of my term

00:26:33

there was a lot of big stories that

00:26:35

there was no Terror going on because

00:26:37

Iran didn't have the money they had to

00:26:39

survive we would have made a deal good

00:26:42

for everybody everybody would have been

00:26:44

happy the main thing is Iran can't have

00:26:46

a nuclear weapon that was my main thing

00:26:48

the deal was a simple deal Iran can't

00:26:50

have a nuclear you know it can't have a

00:26:53

missile can't have a nuclear missile it

00:26:55

cannot have that nuclear

00:26:57

capability other than that we talk about

00:26:59

everything they would have been very

00:27:00

happy it would have been fine and you

00:27:03

would have had peace in the Middle East

00:27:04

the problem is I had them at a point

00:27:06

where you could have negotiated a child

00:27:08

could have made a deal with them and

00:27:10

Biden did nothing he did nothing a child

00:27:13

he doesn't like to negotiate a young man

00:27:16

that knew nothing or a young woman that

00:27:18

knew nothing in kindergarten could have

00:27:19

made a deal with Iran at that time

00:27:22

because they wanted to make a deal and

00:27:24

Biden never took advantage of it now

00:27:27

they put back no sanctions all of the

00:27:29

different things that they gave them

00:27:31

China buys billions and billions of

00:27:33

dollars of oil every month many billions

00:27:35

of dollars a month other people are

00:27:38

buying so Iran now has $250 billion cash

00:27:42

they made it all in three and a half

00:27:44

years and now they're much tougher to

00:27:46

deal with and I will tell you I got

00:27:48

along great with Kim Jong-un we solved

00:27:51

that problem but nobody was in danger

00:27:53

but this is a big problem this is a real

00:27:55

problem and within 90 days or so they're

00:27:57

going to have and could have very well a

00:27:59

nuclear weapon and Israel is a big is a

00:28:03

big difference in Israel between Iran

00:28:05

with a nuclear weapon and Iran without a

00:28:07

nuclear weapon and lots of luck in that

00:28:10

negotiation that's going to be a much

00:28:11

more difficult negotiation president

00:28:13

Trump I I wanted to ask you a question

00:28:16

about uh roie Wade you promised uh your

00:28:19

base that you would overturn roie Wade

00:28:21

you added three people to the Supreme

00:28:23

Court and you delivered on that promise

00:28:25

this might be the issue that determines

00:28:27

the election and many people believe it

00:28:29

is are you going to do a National

00:28:32

Abortion ban would you support that yes

00:28:34

or no so uh I don't need a national ban

00:28:37

because it's up to the states right now

00:28:39

what I did is something that people have

00:28:41

wanted to do for from day one 51 years

00:28:44

it's been going on and if you remember

00:28:47

over the years you're too young but over

00:28:49

the years all they wanted to do is they

00:28:51

wanted to make take it out of the

00:28:53

federal government and move it into the

00:28:55

states and I got that done with the

00:28:57

selection of three great justices I got

00:28:59

it done and it was a big thing but I

00:29:02

will say over the last 10 years or maybe

00:29:04

a little bit more than that they started

00:29:06

talking about the number of weeks and

00:29:08

this and that a lot of different

00:29:09

subjects came in it was no longer just

00:29:11

simply bringing it back every legal

00:29:14

scholar from Democrat to Republican

00:29:17

liberal conservative they all wanted it

00:29:19

brought given to the States because from

00:29:21

a legal standpoint from a lot of other

00:29:24

standpoints including even a moral

00:29:26

standpoint they wanted it brought back

00:29:28

to the States and what I did is I got it

00:29:31

back to the States and now the states

00:29:34

are in charge and the people are voting

00:29:37

and some votes are coming out the way

00:29:40

certain people wanted and some votes

00:29:41

aren't coming out the way certain people

00:29:43

wanted I mean if you look at Ohio I

00:29:45

would say it was a more liberal vote

00:29:47

than people would have thought and you

00:29:49

could say that for Kansas and then you

00:29:50

look at Texas it was a different story

00:29:53

but the people of the states have got

00:29:56

that issue now and they voting and the

00:29:59

one thing that we have to remember that

00:30:01

there's been a lot of radicalism talked

00:30:03

about and the radicalism is really on

00:30:05

the left because they're willing to do

00:30:07

abortions in the eighth and ninth month

00:30:10

month and even beyond that I mean we

00:30:12

have some people the governor take a

00:30:14

look at the governor of Virginia the

00:30:16

former governor of Virginia where he

00:30:18

talked about we will kill the baby after

00:30:21

the baby is born that's a very radical

00:30:24

stance and hopefully that's all going to

00:30:26

be taken off the table now but just to

00:30:28

put it simply it's now up to the states

00:30:31

and like Ronald Reagan I'm a Believer in

00:30:33

the exceptions the three exceptions as

00:30:35

you know and rape incest life of the

00:30:37

mother uh the danger for the life of the

00:30:40

mother and we have uh a situation now

00:30:44

where it's in the state's hands and the

00:30:46

states are going to be uh voting the

00:30:48

last thing people want the people are

00:30:51

going to be voting the last thing people

00:30:52

want is for that to go back into the

00:30:54

federal government it was always fought

00:30:57

and very importantly and people wanted

00:30:59

it they wanted it back in the States

00:31:01

where it belongs legally and for a lot

00:31:03

of other reasons so you wouldn't support

00:31:05

a national ban no I wouldn't support a

00:31:07

national ban no I would not just

00:31:09

shifting back to foreign policy for a

00:31:11

moment Mr President on the relationship

00:31:14

with China it's funny how Democrats and

00:31:16

Republicans seem to have a unified voice

00:31:18

and banging the drums on the the rise of

00:31:22

China do you think that war with China

00:31:26

is inevitable and if not how do we avoid

00:31:28

it I think it's not inevitable I think

00:31:30

it's

00:31:31

unlikely uh I know president XI very

00:31:34

well and we got a long grade until Co

00:31:36

then I wasn't so happy with them because

00:31:38

they gave it to us I said it came from

00:31:39

the Wuhan lab I was right about that uh

00:31:42

they said then it started in Italy and

00:31:44

then it started in France it started

00:31:46

everywhere but there but it started in

00:31:48

China and it was a uh many many millions

00:31:52

of people died all over the world and

00:31:54

cost the world probably $60 trillion

00:31:57

which is more money than China has and

00:31:59

more money than anybody has the death

00:32:01

and Destruction has been unbelievable

00:32:04

but I think it's I think it's high if

00:32:06

you have the right president uh we can

00:32:09

live at peace with China we can do very

00:32:10

well with China compete with China but

00:32:13

we don't have the right president right

00:32:15

now he's not respected by China he's

00:32:17

being laughed at by China and he's a

00:32:19

Manchurian Candidate I mean he's

00:32:21

received money from China his family and

00:32:23

that makes him to me uh somebody that

00:32:25

shouldn't be negotiating he's got a

00:32:27

conflict of interest uh but no I don't

00:32:30

see war with China as being inevitable

00:32:32

at all president Trump do you think that

00:32:35

fouchi and our government funded gain of

00:32:37

function research and do you think we

00:32:39

should really be pursuing the

00:32:42

investigation deeply into that and if we

00:32:44

did fund gain of function research what

00:32:46

does that say about our government and

00:32:50

taking ownership of it because a lot of

00:32:52

us lost a lot of years kids didn't go to

00:32:54

school and uh it caused economic damage

00:32:58

as you pointed out earlier the amount of

00:32:59

money you had to spend to try to avoid a

00:33:01

depression was really severe and if we

00:33:04

funded that what does that make you

00:33:06

think about our government and then

00:33:07

fouchy covering it up if that is in fact

00:33:10

true what does that make you think about

00:33:12

our government so if you remember I'm

00:33:14

the one that stopped it and I stopped it

00:33:16

maybe for a lucky reason or an unusual

00:33:19

reason I said why are we paying money to

00:33:21

China it wasn't about gain of function

00:33:24

or anything else it was why are we

00:33:25

paying money to China China's got a lot

00:33:27

of money

00:33:28

and they're doing fine you know we're

00:33:30

considered like uh they want us to

00:33:33

consider them a growing Nation a a

00:33:36

nation in distress all sorts of things

00:33:38

because they always take advantage of

00:33:39

every treaty by saying that they need

00:33:42

you know they're uh an improving Nation

00:33:45

I heard the other day they have all

00:33:47

different terms for changing but they're

00:33:49

a growing Nation well we're a growing

00:33:51

Nation too We're a nation that's

00:33:53

becoming a third world nation based on

00:33:55

what we're seeing but I was the one that

00:33:57

sto St that when I saw that I was the

00:33:59

one that stopped that uh the fouchy

00:34:01

thing is an interesting phenomena uh

00:34:04

he's a much I was not a big fan of his

00:34:07

as you know he said no let everybody

00:34:09

come in from China I overrode him on

00:34:11

that I overrode him on a lot but he

00:34:14

wanted the people from China when I

00:34:16

heard about this I stopped it we had a

00:34:18

room loaded up with people and nobody

00:34:20

could even believe it but I stopped it

00:34:22

we would have lost hundreds of thousands

00:34:24

of people more maybe more much more

00:34:27

maybe over the the millions but hundreds

00:34:29

of thousands of people more had I not

00:34:31

stopped people coming in from China did

00:34:33

he lie to you about the origin of Co

00:34:36

well I've always said the origin was uh

00:34:39

you know where it came from where it

00:34:40

originally came from was the Wuhan lab I

00:34:43

happen to think it escaped from the

00:34:44

Wuhan lab I mean I don't believe it came

00:34:46

from uh the bats and 2,000 miles away

00:34:49

caves I don't believe it came from other

00:34:52

countries as China tried to convince

00:34:54

people it did uh I thought it should

00:34:56

have been called the China virus because

00:34:58

it was a very much more accurate term

00:35:00

than Co nobody knows what Co even means

00:35:02

why is it co uh but uh no I was always

00:35:06

uh but did fouchi lie to you I guess is

00:35:09

what the American people want to know

00:35:10

did fouchy lie to you and if he did

00:35:11

should he be prosecuted I don't think uh

00:35:14

I dealt you have to understand fouchy

00:35:16

was a much bigger factor in the Biden

00:35:17

Administration than he was in the Trump

00:35:19

Administration I didn't rely on him that

00:35:21

much cuz I didn't trust him uh I would

00:35:24

say got along with him fine not really

00:35:28

but I didn't trust him and again I was

00:35:31

the one that stopped the money going to

00:35:32

China I didn't like it I didn't stop it

00:35:35

because of covid I didn't stop it

00:35:37

because of anything other than why are

00:35:39

we paying money to China it was strange

00:35:42

they should pay us money we shouldn't

00:35:44

pay them money one of the things I can

00:35:46

tell you the World Health Organization

00:35:49

so we pay them almost $500 million and

00:35:53

China pays him $39 million and so I got

00:35:57

out of the world World Health

00:35:58

Organization they did absolutely nothing

00:36:00

they called it totally wrong I got out

00:36:02

they called me and they said we'll do

00:36:04

anything to keep you in anything

00:36:06

anything I said well why are they paying

00:36:08

39 million we're paying almost 500

00:36:10

million and they said well we'll work

00:36:12

out a deal where you could pay much less

00:36:15

I said well now you're starting to talk

00:36:17

but even that it was very popular when I

00:36:19

got out it was a very politically it

00:36:21

would have been very hard to go back in

00:36:23

people were thrilled that I got out I

00:36:25

could have made a deal to go in for $30

00:36:27

million they offered me a deal to go in

00:36:29

for 39 million and I actually turned it

00:36:31

down I said you know it should be a

00:36:33

third it should be if you look at we're

00:36:35

350 million and they're at 1.4 billion

00:36:38

people right so it should have been 25%

00:36:40

or less than that but I didn't want to

00:36:42

quibble but I could have gone back in

00:36:45

immediately for $39 million as opposed

00:36:47

to

00:36:48

500 then a a horrible horrible election

00:36:52

which helped destroy our country took

00:36:54

place in 2020 and they went back in

00:36:58

and they're paying more than $5500

00:37:00

million and they knew I could have made

00:37:02

a deal now it's a lot of money not when

00:37:05

you talk about the world but it's still

00:37:07

a lot of money and it but it shows you

00:37:09

the stupidity of the whole thing they

00:37:11

could have made a deal for 39 million

00:37:14

instead they're paying much more than

00:37:16

they paid even before and that's the way

00:37:19

the mindset of our country is and here's

00:37:21

the big part China totally controls the

00:37:25

wh China totally controls them we have

00:37:29

very little control over them and now

00:37:31

they want to give control over our whole

00:37:32

country to them which would be a

00:37:34

terrible mistake fouchi brings up sort

00:37:37

of the kind of deep State personality

00:37:39

that you talked about in 2016 that's

00:37:41

kind of like riddled all over the

00:37:43

government how much progress do you

00:37:44

think you made and how what do you want

00:37:46

to do if you become president in

00:37:48

November and do you have goals around

00:37:50

the Deep State this time around and what

00:37:52

are they well I have a lot of things I

00:37:54

mean I did a lot of things in the FBI I

00:37:56

fired a lot of of their top people

00:37:58

including Comey who's terrible at what

00:38:00

he did a terrible person and terrible at

00:38:03

what he did uh I fired mcab and you know

00:38:06

I don't have to go through Lisa and

00:38:08

struck in all of the the lovers and I

00:38:11

fired the whole group of people I got

00:38:13

rid of them and uh and you know so many

00:38:16

of the agents are so incredible in the

00:38:17

FBI down below but uh we got rid of a

00:38:20

lot we uh you take a look at the World

00:38:23

Health again we got out of the World

00:38:25

Health we got out of the this is a

00:38:27

similar thing that you know this is

00:38:29

really similar to your answer but we got

00:38:31

out of the World Health Organization

00:38:32

which was a tremendous thing we got rid

00:38:34

of the Paris Accord the Paris Accord was

00:38:38

a disaster for us we were going to pay a

00:38:40

trillion dollars and other countries

00:38:42

were paying nothing Russia was paying

00:38:45

nothing China was paying nothing it

00:38:47

didn't even kick in for China until 2030

00:38:49

whereas with us it kicked in immediately

00:38:52

so I got rid of the Paris Accord I did a

00:38:55

lot of things having to do with not only

00:38:57

people but tremendous amounts of money

00:39:00

because the Paris Accord was so unfair

00:39:04

and I said you know when I do this

00:39:06

people are not going to like it but I

00:39:07

have to do it because it's right people

00:39:09

loved it the public understood it they

00:39:12

loved it and now they've gone back into

00:39:14

the Paris Accord at the same terms and

00:39:16

even worse than the terms I got out it's

00:39:19

really a shame it's so many things it's

00:39:21

so sad to see so many things like I mean

00:39:23

the wh the Paris Accord you take a look

00:39:27

at the things they could have gone back

00:39:29

if they wanted to go back if they had it

00:39:31

they could have gone back for a fraction

00:39:33

of what they were doing and they're very

00:39:35

unfair to the United States we're like a

00:39:37

lap dog for every other country Mr

00:39:40

President I I know you've running out of

00:39:42

time here so but we haven't had a chance

00:39:43

to for you to speak to the Border

00:39:45

situation yet so I want to give you a

00:39:46

chance to to address that because that's

00:39:48

always been really one of the your main

00:39:51

issues since all the way since 2016 you

00:39:54

wanted to build a wall the Democrats did

00:39:55

everything they could to thwart that you

00:39:57

built the the wall but then Biden left a

00:40:00

bunch of holes in it and then sold off

00:40:01

the parts for scrap metal and now we've

00:40:03

had the pro and repealed your executive

00:40:05

order so I want to give you a chance to

00:40:06

speak to that just but one piece I want

00:40:08

to just add in uh as a follow-up

00:40:10

question is a lot of tech CEOs say uh if

00:40:14

we fix the Border can we get more h-1bs

00:40:16

for Tech workers so can you address that

00:40:19

as well as what's going on at the border

00:40:21

yes so uh we built hundreds of miles of

00:40:23

well David as you know and uh we're very

00:40:25

proud of it we did it as per

00:40:27

specification by the border patrol they

00:40:29

wanted exactly the wall that we did with

00:40:30

the climb paddle on top with steel

00:40:33

concrete and then rebar and all of the

00:40:35

things and they wanted they wanted to

00:40:36

have Vision through it clearly through

00:40:38

it and because I thought about concrete

00:40:41

plank frankly going up 40 or 50 feet and

00:40:43

they they didn't like that they wanted

00:40:45

to have Vision through and I understood

00:40:47

that too uh I sort of disagreed with it

00:40:50

but that's okay we actually brought

00:40:51

climbers in Mount Everest climbers to

00:40:53

climb and and we built a very hard wall

00:40:56

to climb it's it's a very effective wall

00:40:58

uh and we built uh hundreds of miles and

00:41:02

then we were going to add quite a bit at

00:41:04

the very end and we we bought about 200

00:41:08

additional miles and it was ready to be

00:41:11

put up could have been put up in three

00:41:13

weeks maybe four weeks and areas that

00:41:16

were rough areas that were people coming

00:41:19

in because as you build the wall they go

00:41:20

in different areas right they go further

00:41:22

out uh the it was so effective it was so

00:41:26

effective Mexico gave us a lot of troops

00:41:29

for free because of a certain

00:41:30

negotiation that I had with them you

00:41:32

heard that but it was so effective the

00:41:34

wall but Biden they didn't want to put

00:41:38

up those slats that were going up

00:41:40

routinely by us that means you had gaps

00:41:43

you had as an example you had gates in

00:41:46

certain area that we put up we were

00:41:48

going to put up big powerful Gates that

00:41:50

we could open and uh you could let

00:41:52

equipment through etc etc if you needed

00:41:54

it and they got rid of of everything

00:41:58

they sold it for 5 cents on the dollar

00:42:00

much of it 5 cents on the dollar I said

00:42:03

I can't believe it and that's the first

00:42:04

time that I said they're serious they

00:42:06

actually won open borders they won an

00:42:08

open border nobody could believe it I

00:42:10

couldn't believe it because I never

00:42:12

believe they wanted an open border

00:42:14

because who would be stupid enough to

00:42:15

want an open border look what's happened

00:42:17

with an open border I was very proud of

00:42:19

that we built we had the safest Border

00:42:20

in the history of our country and now we

00:42:22

have the worst Border in the history of

00:42:24

the world we had a safe border I had a

00:42:27

in Mexico policy uh catch and release in

00:42:30

Mexico not in the United States

00:42:32

everything was so good but the remain in

00:42:34

Mexico is a big deal not easy to get but

00:42:37

it was a big deal they were in Tiana

00:42:39

hundreds of thousands of people they had

00:42:41

to be approved to come into our country

00:42:43

and now you look at what's happened

00:42:45

we've been overrun it's an invasion of

00:42:48

our country by people many people come

00:42:50

out of jails and prisons they come out

00:42:52

of mental institutions insane asylums

00:42:55

and we have terrorists coming into our

00:42:56

country at a level that we've never seen

00:42:59

before it's a very sad I never

00:43:00

understood why the wall was so

00:43:02

controversial you know every country

00:43:03

needs to have a border and a wall is a

00:43:05

really good way to enforce a border I

00:43:07

never understood why they were so

00:43:10

animated about stopping you from

00:43:12

building the wall after you ran on that

00:43:14

issue in 2016 they held you up for years

00:43:16

with litigation and then like you said

00:43:19

they wouldn't just finish the little

00:43:20

pieces of it and they left big holes in

00:43:22

it and I think you're right the only

00:43:24

conclusion is they want an open border I

00:43:26

mean how else do you EXP like that they

00:43:27

want to destroy our country you know the

00:43:29

fact is it's it's incredible the big

00:43:32

mistake I made I should have said I will

00:43:35

not build a wall we do not want a wall

00:43:39

and that wall would have gone up in 15

00:43:41

minutes the more important point I think

00:43:44

Mr President is we need high-skilled

00:43:47

workers in this country we need to

00:43:49

recruit the best and brightest from the

00:43:51

world every time we get somebody super

00:43:53

intelligent from India or Europe any

00:43:55

country that's immigrant sir yeah and

00:43:58

three of the four here are immigrants um

00:44:00

the ones without the tithe and we can

00:44:02

get these great people into our country

00:44:05

and that's a loss for our adversaries

00:44:07

and our competitors and it's a gain for

00:44:09

us but I've never heard you talk about

00:44:11

this can you please promise US you will

00:44:14

give us more ability to import the best

00:44:17

and brightest around the world to

00:44:18

America I do promise but I happen to

00:44:20

agree that's why I promise otherwise I

00:44:22

wouldn't promise let me just tell you

00:44:24

that it's so sad when we lose people

00:44:26

from Harvard MIT from the greatest

00:44:29

schools and lesser schools that are

00:44:31

phenomenal schools also and what I

00:44:34

wanted to do and I would have done this

00:44:35

but then we had to solve the covid

00:44:37

problem because that came in and you

00:44:38

know sort of dominated for a little

00:44:40

while as you perhaps know but what I

00:44:43

want to do and what I will do is you

00:44:45

graduate from a college I think you

00:44:47

should get automatically as part of your

00:44:48

diploma a green card to be able to stay

00:44:51

in this country and that includes junior

00:44:53

colleges too anybody graduates from a

00:44:55

college you go in there for two years or

00:44:57

four years if you graduate or you get a

00:44:59

doctorate degree from a college you

00:45:01

should be able to stay in this country

00:45:02

and you know more stories than I do but

00:45:04

I know of stories where people graduated

00:45:07

from a top college or from a college and

00:45:10

they desperately wanted to stay here

00:45:11

they had a plan for a company a concept

00:45:14

and they can't they go back to India

00:45:16

they go back to China they do the same

00:45:19

basic company in those places and they

00:45:21

become multi-billionaires employing

00:45:23

thousands and thousands of people and it

00:45:25

could have been done here and a big

00:45:27

example is you they you need a pool of

00:45:30

people to work for your companies you

00:45:31

have great companies and they have to be

00:45:33

smart people not everybody can be uh

00:45:35

less than smart you need brilliant

00:45:37

people and we force the brilliant people

00:45:40

the people that graduate from college

00:45:42

the people that are number one in their

00:45:44

class from the best colleges you have to

00:45:46

be able to recruit these people and keep

00:45:48

the people it was such a big deal

00:45:50

somebody graduates at the top of the

00:45:52

class they can't even make a deal with a

00:45:54

company because they don't think they're

00:45:55

going to be able to stay in the country

00:45:57

that is going to end on day one that's

00:46:00

fantastic yeah that's great well I think

00:46:02

we all wholeheartedly agree with that

00:46:04

being being in the being in the tech

00:46:05

industry we we understand the importance

00:46:07

of that they're telling us that you have

00:46:08

to go to den president so thank you so

00:46:10

much for spending so much time with us

00:46:11

we really appreciate it it's been great

00:46:13

having this conversation Sor I'm sorry I

00:46:15

have to I have to ask one question sir

00:46:18

when you got elected in 20 in the 2016

00:46:21

election you said the first thing or one

00:46:22

of the things you wanted to do was

00:46:24

release the JFK file and then you said

00:46:27

later I saw it and I just I wasn't

00:46:29

really ready to do it and then I saw a

00:46:31

clip where you changed your mind and you

00:46:33

said I think we're ready to see this

00:46:35

file and I'm just curious what's in it

00:46:39

what us right what happened like what I

00:46:42

actually did do it uh I released a lot

00:46:45

as you know but when it came to the

00:46:48

whole thing I was hit by some people

00:46:49

that worked for me that are great people

00:46:51

that you would respect and they asked me

00:46:53

not to do it and I'm saying why tell me

00:46:55

why and they said sir I think it needs a

00:46:58

little more time and I released a lot

00:47:01

but I said if they feel so strongly I

00:47:03

respect the people and would would have

00:47:06

done that again but this time I'm just

00:47:08

going to do it RFK says the CIA killed

00:47:11

his his um uncle do you believe that

00:47:13

well this wasn't CIA that asked me but I

00:47:15

think CIA was probably behind it but

00:47:17

they didn't they would have preferred

00:47:19

that I not release the rest of it so we

00:47:22

we did give quite a bit uh it's going to

00:47:25

be done early on a lot of people people

00:47:27

want to see that and whatever it may say

00:47:30

I won't say I sort I have an idea but uh

00:47:33

whatever it is it'll be very interesting

00:47:35

for people to see and we're going to

00:47:37

have to learn from it promise US you'll

00:47:39

come back again Mr you know there are

00:47:40

other things we're going to release too

00:47:42

we're going to release really like what

00:47:43

what else do you got we'll talk to you

00:47:45

about it off camera

00:47:48

aliens by the way I generally speaking

00:47:51

and there are reasons not to release

00:47:52

certain things obviously but I gener you

00:47:55

know it's transparency and I think it's

00:47:57

important that we release that and there

00:47:59

are other things too there are other

00:48:00

things that you know about but people

00:48:03

more than anything else they want the

00:48:04

JFK files we're going to release that

00:48:06

immediately you have a prediction for

00:48:07

the debate next week what's going to

00:48:08

happen well all I can say is this I

00:48:11

watched him with Paul Ryan and he

00:48:13

destroyed Paul Ryan Paul Ryan with the

00:48:15

water he was chugging water at a left

00:48:17

and right I didn't think a human being

00:48:18

would be able to drink so much water at

00:48:20

one time and he beat Paul Ryan so I I'm

00:48:23

not underestimating him I'm not

00:48:25

underestimating him it is what it is uh

00:48:28

we'll see what happens but you take a

00:48:30

look at the last one uh I happen to

00:48:33

think he's incompetent for a lot of

00:48:35

reasons I think he's incompetent because

00:48:37

he has gotten the worst policies both

00:48:41

foreign policy and internal policy I

00:48:43

mean who would not want to have a wall

00:48:45

who wants to have millions of people

00:48:47

pouring in who wants to have high taxes

00:48:49

you know taxes are going to raise by

00:48:51

four times if this guy has his plan is

00:48:54

he in cognitive decline do you believe

00:48:55

he's in cognitive decline well I I

00:48:57

shouldn't be the one to say that but I

00:48:58

don't think he's doing particularly well

00:49:00

but I didn't think he was well 25 years

00:49:02

ago I thought he was not a smart person

00:49:04

and that was told to me by a certain

00:49:06

member of the Kennedy family who was

00:49:08

actually very friendly with me through a

00:49:10

Palm Beach relationship and I was told

00:49:14

that very strongly but so I was never a

00:49:16

fan of his but I will say he beat uh he

00:49:19

beat Paul Ryan who was still years ago

00:49:22

but he beat Paul Ryan pretty badly and

00:49:24

uh I assume he's going to be uh somebody

00:49:27

that will be a worthy debater yeah I

00:49:29

would say I think I don't want to

00:49:31

underestimate him all right I think

00:49:34

that's smart well your your your team is

00:49:36

telling us that uh they need you to go

00:49:38

to a dinner Mr President obviously we

00:49:39

could keep going for hours and hours but

00:49:41

it's been great to we

00:49:43

could uh but it's been great to great to

00:49:46

have you for the last hour here and it's

00:49:47

been great to getting to know you with

00:49:49

the the dinner that we did and we hope

00:49:51

that you'll come back on our show

00:49:52

podcasts are getting bigger and bigger

00:49:54

so hopefully in your second term you'll

00:49:56

come on here uh and uh talk to us again

00:50:00

you think Biden would do this interview

00:50:01

I don't think absolutely not absolutely

00:50:04

lost one question I don't think doing

00:50:08

these interviews so that's it's an honor

00:50:10

to be with you all very good question we

00:50:12

appreciate it sir thank you very

00:50:13

appreciate very much sir thank you very

00:50:15

thank you sir there you have it wow that

00:50:17

was some hour boys what do we think

00:50:20

let's do a wrap up huh got do do a

00:50:22

little wrap

00:50:24

here jcal what are your what are your

00:50:26

big

00:50:28

takeaways well I'm undecided as you know

00:50:31

we we had a limited amount of time with

00:50:33

him and obviously just say it just say

00:50:34

it you like him you didn't you were just

00:50:37

say it just say it because it's written

00:50:38

all across your face just say it you

00:50:40

like him you're confused have some crush

00:50:43

your questions no he crushed your

00:50:44

questions

00:50:45

ad you asked great questions and he just

00:50:48

dealt with them headon just admit it you

00:50:50

like him you like him look at

00:50:54

him I do like the fact that on the I

00:50:57

told you youd like him I told you you'd

00:50:59

like him this is my point whether you

00:51:01

whether you come out of wanting to vote

00:51:03

for the president or not sure everybody

00:51:05

needs to I think just sit in a room and

00:51:08

just hear him out if you're if you if

00:51:10

you want me to answer the question what

00:51:11

I'll say is there there are some

00:51:12

blockers I have that we didn't get to

00:51:14

January 6th obviously I did you know one

00:51:16

of the blockers I have is obviously roie

00:51:18

Wade and I think he handled that

00:51:19

question really well and I think we may

00:51:22

have gotten a little bit of breaking

00:51:24

news there in terms of him saying he

00:51:26

would not do the national ban and I

00:51:29

think that's a big concern people have

00:51:31

and I think that's maybe the issue

00:51:33

according to a lot of experts I'm sorry

00:51:35

to sound like trumping for a lot of

00:51:36

experts people believe that could be the

00:51:38

deciding issue uh of the election and so

00:51:41

I think he handled it really well by

00:51:43

saying the states are going to choose

00:51:44

and he's not going to do the federal B

00:51:46

he exemption he was very unequivocal

00:51:48

about that really clear that he would

00:51:50

not do a national ban really clear that

00:51:52

the states would decide and furthermore

00:51:53

he understood that the states are

00:51:55

deciding there's been a bunch of

00:51:56

referenda at the state level and they

00:51:58

are generally coming out at on the

00:52:00

pro-choice side and he indicated that he

00:52:02

understood that some of the votes are

00:52:04

not turning out the way the

00:52:06

people people want right 80% of people

00:52:09

he's going to respect democracy he's

00:52:11

going to respect democracy on that issue

00:52:13

yeah so I think he he nailed that that

00:52:16

question I think he was very definitive

00:52:19

about Ukraine not entering NATO and I

00:52:23

think he was very definitive about an H1

00:52:26

B policy that's Pro productivity and

00:52:29

immigration that was the part I like

00:52:30

best if I'm being giving grads green

00:52:32

cards that's like such a that's breaking

00:52:35

news too by the way I think we elevated

00:52:36

the discussion about immigration beyond

00:52:38

the wall and into recruitment which is

00:52:40

what I have been trying to do on this

00:52:41

podcast for a couple years here now so

00:52:43

to hear the president say I will do that

00:52:45

for you because I want that that to me

00:52:48

was padle and you know there's a lot of

00:52:49

things I agree with them on and the

00:52:51

January 6th stff we didn't get to so

00:52:53

apologies to the audience on that I know

00:52:55

a lot of people have feelings about but

00:52:56

you know you can only get so much from

00:52:58

50 minutes of interview I think he did a

00:52:59

great jend the whole town hall on that

00:53:01

issue I mean quite frankly I felt like

00:53:03

we dealt with a lot of substance here so

00:53:05

but chamath I agree with you he was

00:53:06

really clear on Ukraine he went further

00:53:08

than he has in the past in the past he

00:53:10

said that he'll get a peace deal very

00:53:11

quickly and that he wants the people to

00:53:13

stop dying but in this interview he went

00:53:15

further he said that if France or other

00:53:18

European countries send in troops the US

00:53:20

definitely will not participate in that

00:53:22

we are not going to send American boots

00:53:24

on the ground the Biden Administration I

00:53:25

don't think has said that definitively

00:53:27

the way that President Trump said it

00:53:29

moreover he understood that a major

00:53:32

cause of the war was the desire to bring

00:53:36

Ukraine into NATO and I've never heard

00:53:40

I've never heard anyone in the

00:53:41

administration say that and he went

00:53:42

further and said they keep saying these

00:53:44

provocative things about you know even

00:53:46

now they keep repeating that Ukraine's

00:53:48

going to be part of NATO so he

00:53:50

understood he understood the provocation

00:53:52

there fre what's your take on him you

00:53:54

haven't come out and said who you're

00:53:55

voting for but this is your first time

00:53:57

interacting with them I'll be it for 50

00:53:59

minutes in a group setting but what are

00:54:01

you what's your it's a diff it's a

00:54:03

difficult Forum because we can't go deep

00:54:05

and ask responsive questions and we

00:54:06

don't have a lot of time and there's

00:54:07

four of us trying to ask questions so

00:54:09

the format is a little difficult to get

00:54:11

to the heart of the matter on on some of

00:54:12

these complicated topics like federal

00:54:14

spending two hours debt yeah and and I

00:54:17

think you need to just be able to like

00:54:19

hone in on the question you know his

00:54:21

response on how are we going to reduce

00:54:23

kind of the bureaucratic overhead and

00:54:25

the wasteful spending and ederal

00:54:26

government and he kind of pivoted to the

00:54:28

Department of Education that's 3% of the

00:54:30

federal budget I want to talk about the

00:54:31

rest of it and you know we're at it took

00:54:33

us 200 years as a country to add a

00:54:36

trillion dollars to our federal debt to

00:54:38

go from zero to a trillion and now we're

00:54:40

adding a trillion every hundred days and

00:54:42

it's going to take a lot more than just

00:54:44

one to three% cuts and spending to get

00:54:47

us out of the you know the spiral uh

00:54:50

that we're in I also am concerned very

00:54:54

um I think very rightly so and I think

00:54:57

he acknowledges the concerns that were

00:54:59

mentioned by Larry Summers that tariffs

00:55:01

plus tax cuts could lead to uh serious

00:55:04

inflation and economic contraction those

00:55:07

are really difficult things to do

00:55:09

together unless you have a very clear

00:55:12

plan for massively cutting spending at

00:55:14

the federal level so I don't feel like I

00:55:16

got to the heart of the matter on those

00:55:17

points and as you guys know that's what

00:55:19

I care so deeply about I think we need

00:55:20

to fix the machine to be able to do the

00:55:23

things we want the machine to do over

00:55:24

time and I'm I'm very deeply worried

00:55:26

worried about that you know I had a

00:55:28

couple reactions to that so number one

00:55:30

is I thought it was interesting how he

00:55:32

reacted to the question about Larry

00:55:34

Summers because he knows Larry Summers

00:55:35

and he actually said several very comp

00:55:37

things towards him so he may not agree

00:55:40

with him on everything but he said that

00:55:42

Larry had gotten a bunch of things right

00:55:44

and he's an interesting guy and and

00:55:46

Larry did get the inflation call right

00:55:48

remember at the very beginning right of

00:55:50

the Biden Administration so it was

00:55:52

interesting I thought that President

00:55:54

Trump handled that question very TCT I

00:55:56

think it's not like was looking to

00:55:58

attack anyone anything like that do we

00:56:00

really buy he's going to do this tariff

00:56:01

thing anyway like it seems like that's a

00:56:03

bit of pandering maybe to the voter base

00:56:05

it sounds like a great solution right

00:56:07

but I don't think he's gonna do it once

00:56:09

the economic advisers get together and

00:56:11

look at the analysis on what this will

00:56:13

do to costs of things inflation will go

00:56:15

up Etc you know maybe there's a rethink

00:56:17

ultimately on how that's implemented and

00:56:19

on what particular slices of the economy

00:56:21

it's implemented so I'm sure as you

00:56:23

point out it probably gets toned down

00:56:24

for this to you know to even become a

00:56:26

reality it seems just on the on the

00:56:29

second piece on the the deficit you know

00:56:30

J you asked a pretty tough question

00:56:32

there where you basically said look

00:56:33

you're your def the debt has grown as

00:56:36

much under your first term as it do

00:56:38

under Biden remember that the 8 trillion

00:56:40

or something I me it's almost exactly

00:56:42

going to be the same 6.5 to date from

00:56:44

Biden 7.8 trillion but I think he had a

00:56:46

pretty good answer which was that look

00:56:49

at the first year of covid we were

00:56:50

dealing with you know a depress a

00:56:52

potential depression I don't if you

00:56:54

mentioned that the economy GDP was down

00:56:57

30% yeah he talked about 1929 yeah yeah

00:57:00

exactly so he basically explained that

00:57:02

we had to do that but then after that we

00:57:05

shouldn't have kept going and I do think

00:57:08

that Trump is just not as big a spender

00:57:10

as Biden I mean look Biden's been in

00:57:12

Washington for 50 years he thinks

00:57:14

government's the answer for everything

00:57:15

he loves spending money and he spent

00:57:17

trillions on covid even after we didn't

00:57:19

need to so I get the sense that Trump

00:57:22

was a reluctant spender I'm not saying

00:57:24

he didn't spend but where as Biden I

00:57:27

think is a eager spender and yeah I I

00:57:31

think any wants to spend because it's

00:57:34

popular I just think it's their nature I

00:57:36

think if Trump had the power by himself

00:57:38

to Reign and spending I think he would I

00:57:40

think the issue is that the president by

00:57:42

himself can't do that much which is what

00:57:43

my follow-up question was right I was

00:57:45

trying to ask him like can you actually

00:57:47

do it as president or not like is there

00:57:49

the wherewithal to do it I think the

00:57:51

other aspect I wanted to see I'm really

00:57:53

glad he talked about

00:57:54

dollarization and I he mentioned it

00:57:56

upfront and so that to me really

00:57:59

resonated it really Rings true to the

00:58:02

effect of us spending US foreign policy

00:58:05

so much of this is driving and I'm

00:58:07

concerned about right driving the Saudis

00:58:09

into the arms of the Chinese and and

00:58:11

other foreign adversaries to the United

00:58:13

States and I would have really liked to

00:58:14

have spent a little time with him on the

00:58:16

Saudi relationship where he sees that

00:58:18

headed how the Saudi relationship will

00:58:20

affect the Middle East and how the Saudi

00:58:22

relationship could affect the US dollar

00:58:25

and and dollar reserves around the world

00:58:27

but I think he's acutely aware of

00:58:29

dollarization and uh foreign reserves in

00:58:32

dollars being sold down and that the

00:58:34

there are serious effects to that I

00:58:36

didn't hear a followup on like what the

00:58:38

specific responses will be uh you know

00:58:41

to to the drivers there which I I would

00:58:43

have loved to Spent A Little More Time

00:58:44

On what do you think will be the viral

00:58:46

moments to come out of this if any what

00:58:47

do you think the mainstream Media or

00:58:49

social media will take from this any

00:58:51

moments you think we breaking news or

00:58:54

notable well I think think there's a lot

00:58:56

of clarity on a couple of important

00:58:58

points one is no federal ban on abortion

00:59:01

I think that that's important news for a

00:59:03

lot of people the second is this Clarity

00:59:07

on h-1bs which is very different from

00:59:09

what has to be done at the border and I

00:59:11

think that was very clear and new and I

00:59:13

think it's very positive for our

00:59:15

community meaning the tech absolutely

00:59:16

yeah that's why I push we need that

00:59:18

Clarity because we're trying to hire

00:59:20

these people and we are losing them

00:59:22

every day and then the third was I think

00:59:26

Clarity on NATO was also very definitive

00:59:30

and I think that that's important the

00:59:32

fourth which was an implication of what

00:59:34

he said which is a little depressing is

00:59:38

I think there's a lot of us that want to

00:59:39

see this Israeli Palestine conflict

00:59:43

resolved and I think what he's saying is

00:59:47

we can't because we've let the genie out

00:59:49

of the bottle we have an adversary now

00:59:50

with a quarter of a trillion dollars of

00:59:52

excess cash who has no incentive to

00:59:54

negotiate Iran that's on so that's

00:59:58

really

00:59:59

depressing and then the fifth one was

01:00:01

around this JFK thing I the reason why I

01:00:04

asked the JFK question is not

01:00:06

necessarily that I have a specific

01:00:08

interest in JFK but it's emblematic of

01:00:12

it's a proxy for this deep State this

01:00:14

idea of Secrets or this idea of there's

01:00:16

a layer of people that are embedded in

01:00:20

the United States government that

01:00:21

decides on behalf of all of us and I

01:00:24

think when you have somebody who can put

01:00:26

P back against that and use transparency

01:00:29

and sunlight as the cleansing function

01:00:31

that is what we need if we're going to

01:00:33

rebuild trust in our government and

01:00:34

institutions we're going to need a lot

01:00:36

more transparency and if that one's

01:00:37

hanging out there why not resolve it I

01:00:40

mean did he say he thinks the CI CIA did

01:00:42

it I think I heard him say that I think

01:00:44

CIA did what I heard was he said the CIA

01:00:47

behind the people that were influencing

01:00:49

him not to I think what he said want

01:00:51

information out we should be clear about

01:00:53

that because it could be it could be

01:00:55

quoted out of context yeah we're going

01:00:56

to need to see the transcript on that he

01:00:58

did not say that he thought the CIA was

01:01:00

he didn't come anywhere close he said

01:01:02

that he thought the CIA was behind that

01:01:05

were telling him to not do it and he

01:01:07

listened to them out of trust and

01:01:08

respect for them which I think that's a

01:01:10

reasonable judgment in the moment we got

01:01:12

see that transcript yeah my point is

01:01:14

exposing that is a very important way of

01:01:17

giving the influence and power back to

01:01:20

the people ABS I've mentioned this quote

01:01:24

from Mike Pompeo which is really

01:01:25

powerful but it's something to the

01:01:27

effect of you know the people on the top

01:01:29

floor of the CIA do not believe it's a

01:01:33

Democrat or Republican that runs America

01:01:36

but that they do and he said that in the

01:01:40

context of being asked what is the one

01:01:42

regret you have or some of the biggest

01:01:45

regrets you have in running the CIA and

01:01:48

Pompeo said that he didn't fix that so I

01:01:51

think that there's a lot of embedded

01:01:53

versions of this establishment class

01:01:56

that lurk in many institutions whether

01:01:58

it's the EPA whether it's the CIA

01:02:00

whether it's the

01:02:01

NIH and if there are ways in which the

01:02:05

president can unlock the data that's

01:02:07

necessary or the

01:02:09

information for all of us to have a

01:02:12

little bit more clarity on what's

01:02:14

Happening I think it's important and I

01:02:15

do think for many

01:02:17

people that the JFK file is

01:02:19

representative of a lot of them well and

01:02:21

then Dove telling that Sachs the fouy

01:02:24

discussion where he said I don't trust I

01:02:26

I never trusted fouchy and then kind of

01:02:28

pushing it on like hey do you think he

01:02:30

should be prosecuted did we fund it or

01:02:32

not seems pretty clear he believes we

01:02:34

funded gain of research his position was

01:02:37

I just didn't want to spend the money

01:02:38

which I appreciate about him with China

01:02:40

with China yeah spend the money in China

01:02:42

yeah yeah and so I what did you think of

01:02:45

that point yeah well I I thought that

01:02:48

his response on that was similar to a

01:02:50

lot of his responses which is he did not

01:02:53

take the edgy position

01:02:56

that he was sort of being teed up to

01:02:58

take I mean kind of like same thing with

01:02:59

like the Larry Summers thing you know he

01:03:02

he had mild criticism I thought for

01:03:04

fouchy but he didn't go scorched Earth

01:03:06

at all on on fouchy there and he he

01:03:09

didn't trust him he said absolutely

01:03:11

nobody that's for politics nobody nobody

01:03:14

trusts fouchy you asked him whether

01:03:17

fouchi should be prosecuted he did not

01:03:19

take the bait on that that's my point he

01:03:21

was very respectful actually I I was

01:03:23

very surprised to hear how he respected

01:03:25

fouchi and how he framed the his

01:03:28

response to that question and I think

01:03:29

that says a lot but can I tell you why

01:03:31

you're surprised because I think we have

01:03:33

been fed this is what I'm saying we have

01:03:35

been fed A Narrative of what president

01:03:37

Trump looks like now in fairness we're

01:03:39

also being fed A Narrative of what

01:03:40

President Biden is like and this is why

01:03:44

you have to see these men up close and

01:03:45

personal for yourself because David the

01:03:48

fact that you're surprised is less about

01:03:50

the fact that Donald Trump has changed

01:03:52

right it's more the fact that you've

01:03:53

been told a narrative and you've

01:03:56

believed it and so now when you see the

01:03:58

actual truth you have to rewrite hold on

01:04:00

a second he's actually pretty thoughtful

01:04:02

he's pretty presidential he doesn't go

01:04:04

off on

01:04:05

people that's not what you probably

01:04:07

thought going in because that's not what

01:04:08

the mainstream media portrays about what

01:04:10

you should be thinking about well he In

01:04:12

fairness he has gone in on people pretty

01:04:13

hard over the last eight years he's a

01:04:15

counter puncher I don't think he hits

01:04:16

people unless they hit him first I mean

01:04:18

that's his pattern but look I I I agree

01:04:21

with Jamal here that my overall take on

01:04:24

this and look my position is is clear

01:04:26

because I wrote a long post on X

01:04:29

endorsing Trump a couple weeks ago but

01:04:31

everything I heard here in this

01:04:33

interview was consistent with the

01:04:35

reasons why I stated I want to support

01:04:37

him he clearly favors a progrowth agenda

01:04:40

he wants to keep taxes low or and

01:04:43

reasonable he wants to reduce

01:04:45

regulations he wanted to increase the

01:04:48

number of h-1bs get the Dream Team over

01:04:51

here for Tech while sealing the Border

01:04:54

while cutting down on crime in blue

01:04:57

cities he talked about how crime was out

01:04:59

of control he wants to negotiate peace

01:05:01

deals he I think understands very well

01:05:05

why we have this war going on in Europe

01:05:07

overall I heard a lot of reassuring

01:05:10

things and I didn't hear anything that I

01:05:13

would put in the category of a grievance

01:05:16

or a desire for Revenge you know the

01:05:19

media is trying to portray him as like

01:05:21

seeking Vengeance or something like that

01:05:23

well that's because he says he is didn't

01:05:25

get didn't he said over and over again

01:05:27

let's be clear he said over again I will

01:05:29

be your retribution so he may not have

01:05:30

said it on this podcast did you get any

01:05:33

of that in this interview no I've just

01:05:36

heard him say it 50 times in the last 60

01:05:38

days so but SX where would you like to

01:05:40

have seen him be same clip played over

01:05:43

and over again on where would you like

01:05:44

to have seen him be stronger or

01:05:45

different on any of his major positions

01:05:48

what would you as his adviser advise him

01:05:52

to shift or double down on a

01:05:54

bit well well I mean I think jamath is

01:05:57

right that with respect to the Middle

01:05:59

East the I think his position isn't

01:06:03

perfectly clear because it's not only

01:06:05

about Iran in the Middle East right um

01:06:08

yeah but the truth of the matter is

01:06:09

politically I don't know that he could

01:06:11

say more and you know I think that's

01:06:13

just a very very tough issue where

01:06:15

you're bound to alienate and polarize

01:06:17

one side of the other and so I think

01:06:19

he's sort of definitely walking a tight

01:06:21

RPP there yeah when he says it would

01:06:23

never have happened like I'm always like

01:06:25

you know like it would never happened

01:06:27

under me I would like to have a little

01:06:28

more of the why why do you believe that

01:06:30

and he never gets into the details he

01:06:32

just says that over and over but maybe

01:06:34

he's right you know like when I hear

01:06:36

Trump talk what I hear is someone who's

01:06:39

a dealmaker he was a dealmaker in

01:06:41

business now he's a dealmaker

01:06:42

politically he's willing to have

01:06:44

conversations with anybody there was

01:06:46

even a moment when he's talking about

01:06:47

Iran where he said maybe he could have

01:06:50

worked out a deal um but in any event

01:06:53

he's somebody who I think is willing to

01:06:56

negotiate which I think is a positive

01:06:58

thing because when last time Biden

01:07:00

negotiated anything he doesn't seem

01:07:02

interested at all I mean I didn't get to

01:07:04

ask but you know one of the things I had

01:07:05

queued up was you know I just think

01:07:07

you've done a phenomenal job in talking

01:07:09

to people who most people feel are

01:07:11

difficult people to get along with you

01:07:14

know Kim Jan G Putin I think it's in

01:07:17

superpowers talking to dictators uh

01:07:20

despots people who are contener and

01:07:22

difficult and he always seems to get the

01:07:25

better of them them or at least get he

01:07:28

at least gets our interests As Americans

01:07:31

aligned with whatever their interests

01:07:33

are so I let me ask you I'm yeah I don't

01:07:36

want to be insulting I'm ask like in the

01:07:37

past you said that he was embracing the

01:07:40

dictators and he was cow Towing to I

01:07:42

think you've said comments like that in

01:07:43

the past where you saw Yes or something

01:07:46

that felt like he was more trying to

01:07:49

embrace and engage with them in a way

01:07:50

that's like why would I've always felt

01:07:52

you should talk to everybody all the

01:07:53

time um you know that that's not my

01:07:55

issue with you know it's never been my

01:07:56

issue with him I think that's like a

01:07:57

superpower the fact that he went into

01:08:00

North Korea and stepped over in the DMZ

01:08:03

you you saw the look on Kim jong-un's

01:08:04

face he just Kim jung-un just wants a

01:08:06

little attention he wants a little

01:08:08

recognition and this idea like we're not

01:08:10

going to give him any recognition is

01:08:12

stupid because if you give him a little

01:08:14

recognition now you're sort of tilting

01:08:16

him towards hey maybe you could be part

01:08:17

of this like maybe you could come to the

01:08:19

west and see a movie premiere or come to

01:08:20

the NBA finals as opposed to start

01:08:23

lobbing you know dysfunctional

01:08:26

missiles over Japan

01:08:28

like you know that video where they're

01:08:30

like setting up the little press

01:08:32

shooting and the in the conference oh my

01:08:34

God that video Smile on Kim jong-un's

01:08:36

face when say you want me to go over I

01:08:39

go should I go over should I do it now

01:08:41

I'll go over okay I'm GNA I'm gonna walk

01:08:44

up and Kim jung-un is beaming and you're

01:08:46

like he just played him he played him

01:08:49

like he walked 10 feet into North Korea

01:08:51

and now Kim jong-un's like you know what

01:08:52

I don't need this Miss I guess my my my

01:08:54

big unanswered question I did want to

01:08:56

ask him about like Doo's prediction of

01:08:58

like the cycle of Empires 500

01:09:01

years that well let's play

01:09:03

counterfactual freeberg what do what do

01:09:05

you how do you compare the answers

01:09:06

you've heard to what you have heard or

01:09:09

what you think President Biden's answers

01:09:11

would be to the things that you care

01:09:12

about I honestly feel like there's a

01:09:14

little bit of a blinders to the question

01:09:16

like there's a pivot back to what I've

01:09:18

done what I'll do versus the like let's

01:09:21

actually talk about where we are in the

01:09:23

death cycle and this is exactly what

01:09:27

like history repeating itself at the

01:09:29

time that you take on all the debt you

01:09:31

drive internal conflict January 6 is a

01:09:33

great like data point you drive external

01:09:35

conflict we've had two or three Wars

01:09:38

start in the last four years how do we

01:09:41

reverse those things so that we don't

01:09:42

repeat history and we sat down with doio

01:09:45

and we asked him this question is there

01:09:46

a way to not repeat history and he said

01:09:48

yes there is and we talked with grah

01:09:49

Allison about this and all these guys

01:09:51

believe that there's a way to avoid it

01:09:52

there have been moments where we've

01:09:54

nearly had the conflict and that's why I

01:09:56

him about war with China but I want to

01:09:58

understand if there is this broader kind

01:10:00

of construct of what is going on because

01:10:02

he he hits on all the data points

01:10:04

correctly dollarization increased

01:10:06

spending bloated

01:10:09

bureaucracy conflicts around the world

01:10:11

without taking it all into perspective

01:10:13

and saying man like this is where

01:10:14

Empires die I guess he does say that

01:10:16

right he he does actually highlight

01:10:18

exactly what Doo doesn't do what mle

01:10:20

does though right like Malay has said to

01:10:22

the populist that's exactly yeah Malay

01:10:25

he just needs to take that next Malay

01:10:26

step and say I will cut half the people

01:10:28

working at these places he kind of did

01:10:30

say it when it came to education I don't

01:10:32

know what your interpretations were G

01:10:34

get back to an entrepreneurial economy

01:10:36

right allow capitalism I think he did

01:10:38

say around regulation and then with

01:10:40

respect to the bureaucracy he pointed to

01:10:43

education he pointed to that was a good

01:10:44

example I think energy he pointed to the

01:10:47

EPA the right things are on his radar

01:10:49

screen you know uh I just hope he gets

01:10:52

the right people around him sacks like I

01:10:54

mean I need you

01:10:55

jul and stupid people you got to if

01:10:58

you're if put him put smart people

01:11:01

around cabinet cabinet advisers on

01:11:04

nuclear on regulation in nuclear on AI

01:11:07

like yeah in 2016 there was not the kind

01:11:11

of people that for example were at this

01:11:15

fundraiser that David and I

01:11:18

organized was I think entirely different

01:11:21

than what you saw in

01:11:23

2016 and I do think there's opportunity

01:11:25

where if you dipped your hand like there

01:11:27

was a young man in the audience who

01:11:29

answered this AI question and he talked

01:11:32

about public key private key

01:11:34

cryptography it was beautiful it was

01:11:36

amazing very technical person but there

01:11:40

are all these people that are coming out

01:11:41

of the woodwork to your point freeberg

01:11:44

if he can figure out how to build a

01:11:45

cabinet with those people meaning these

01:11:48

extremely technical thoughtful people

01:11:52

then there's a real shot that you can

01:11:53

change yeah I hope that's right I pulled

01:11:55

up some some some data going into our

01:11:56

conversation I just want to hear read

01:11:58

this to you guys totally off topic but I

01:12:00

I just want to say we can cut it out if

01:12:02

you want but you know construction for

01:12:04

the Francis Scott Key bridge which is

01:12:06

1.6 miles long when it was built in 1977

01:12:09

was 141 million bucks about 740 million

01:12:12

in today's dollars today they're

01:12:14

estimating to repair you know that's the

01:12:15

bridge that collapsed um in Baltimore

01:12:18

they're saying it's going to cost you

01:12:19

know2 billion or more to repair that

01:12:21

bridge now you know 40 years later

01:12:24

California's bullet train project in

01:12:26

2008 was supposed to cost 40 billion

01:12:28

we're 15 years into this thing we've

01:12:30

spent 18 billion they're now asking for

01:12:32

140 billion total to build 171 mile

01:12:35

track that's a billion a mile that's a

01:12:37

billion a mile let me just tell you this

01:12:39

other fact China tracks in the middle of

01:12:41

nowhere yeah and China just spent 300

01:12:43

billion to build 16,000 miles of

01:12:46

High-Speed Rail they're spending 18

01:12:48

million a mile that's 2% of the cost of

01:12:53

the California highspeed rail system 2%

01:12:55

per mile we are 50 times more expensive

01:12:57

than China that is where superpowers

01:13:01

shift that is where that is the

01:13:02

fundamental premise of the shift that

01:13:04

we've seen five six times in the last

01:13:06

500 years that's yeah I mean is it just

01:13:10

time to privatize it's lay it's layers

01:13:12

it's layers of you know of these two men

01:13:15

Trump or Biden which one do you think is

01:13:16

going to be more skeptical of big

01:13:18

government spending and which one is

01:13:19

going to be more interested in being

01:13:22

conducive to the private sector solving

01:13:24

problems I mean to me there's no

01:13:26

comparison no well which one which one

01:13:28

do you think obviously Trump is is his

01:13:30

all of his instincts are let's empower

01:13:33

the private sector let's cut regulations

01:13:35

let's make taxes reasonable let's get

01:13:36

the smartest people in the country let's

01:13:39

have peace

01:13:40

deals growth what do you think freeer I

01:13:44

have heard conversations that there is

01:13:46

an economic argument I don't know if I

01:13:48

buy it that one of the reasons that

01:13:50

they're trying to leave the Border open

01:13:52

is there is a um low cost labor pool

01:13:56

that grows that actually is is

01:13:58

beneficial to economic growth that um

01:14:00

there's just not enough in the workforce

01:14:02

today to like think about the cost of

01:14:03

building that Railroad in China versus

01:14:05

the US you know the the average income

01:14:08

in the US is is a a couple turns on what

01:14:11

it is in China you can also say you

01:14:13

don't want to answer the

01:14:14

question between the two

01:14:18

yeah man um ask this question more

01:14:21

specifically yeah ask yeah honestly who

01:14:23

do you think is closer to your desired

01:14:25

outcome Trump or Biden I I think Trump

01:14:27

hits on it like way more than Biden does

01:14:30

yeah he definitely hits on the concerns

01:14:32

that I have I don't know if he has like

01:14:34

the path that makes me feel like great

01:14:35

let's you know like this is gonna work

01:14:37

does Biden does Biden and I think the

01:14:39

other thing I worry about is the

01:14:40

leadership problem with Trump meaning I

01:14:42

don't mean him as a leader in in terms

01:14:44

of Effectiveness but just this like

01:14:46

Trump derangement syndrome is not

01:14:49

something to be ignored and to be

01:14:51

disparaging of the people that we all

01:14:53

you know that not we all but people say

01:14:55

have Trump derangement syndrome it's a

01:14:56

fundamental like tilting that he does

01:14:58

and he tilts half the people in the

01:15:00

country he tilts them and I think that

01:15:02

that is really and maybe the other side

01:15:04

is true as well maybe it's a

01:15:05

psychological problem that a lot of

01:15:06

people have doesn't mean we should have

01:15:07

a worse president no so so that's one

01:15:09

that's one argument or yeah or maybe

01:15:11

when he tried maybe there's a way to use

01:15:14

unifying speech instead of divisive

01:15:16

speech and that is my other concern it's

01:15:18

just like or or you speak directly to

01:15:20

the people and you end up where Jake Al

01:15:24

is at

01:15:25

and where you're at which is you've

01:15:27

heard him face to face really for the

01:15:31

first time I want to hear Biden face to

01:15:33

face I want to have a long conversation

01:15:35

on here we invited Biden on here too and

01:15:38

we're waiting breathlessly for him to

01:15:40

accept the invitation you got to give

01:15:41

Trump credit for coming on the show like

01:15:45

he said yeah and took all questions yeah

01:15:48

so you got to give Trump a lot of credit

01:15:50

for that but freeberg to your point

01:15:51

about the TDS for a second look when

01:15:55

Biden ran in 2020 he promised a return

01:15:58

to normaly that was basically his sales

01:16:01

pitch we had just gone through covid you

01:16:04

know there were a lot of people who had

01:16:06

TDS who were tilted by Trump and what

01:16:07

Biden said is we're going to have

01:16:09

normaly what actually happened well I

01:16:12

think Biden began this incredibly

01:16:15

partisan and vindictive program of

01:16:17

lawfare of trying to prosecute not just

01:16:19

Trump but a lot of other people we had

01:16:22

the Border basically opened up I mean

01:16:25

Biden repealed all those executive

01:16:26

orders on day one and did create those

01:16:28

holes in in the wall there was

01:16:30

absolutely no reason for that we had

01:16:33

this war in Ukraine that was easily

01:16:34

avoidable if they just said the right

01:16:36

things back in

01:16:38

2021 and I mean I could go on I mean on

01:16:41

on the issue of tech like we talked

01:16:43

about everyone feels Frozen right now

01:16:46

crypto can't get a regulatory framework

01:16:48

no one can do m& so have we gotten the

01:16:50

normaly that we were promised I don't

01:16:52

think so and on the other hand what I

01:16:54

heard from Trump in this interview was

01:16:57

like it was he was sort of softened he

01:17:00

did not go scorched Earth even when he

01:17:02

invited him to he did not say will age I

01:17:05

will he did not he had nice words to say

01:17:08

about Larry Summers yes he was you know

01:17:10

I thought this was a very moderate

01:17:14

sounding Trump maybe it's a different

01:17:15

approach and I'm wrong and I'm just

01:17:17

referencing the history with him and I

01:17:19

do agree with you that the way he spoke

01:17:21

today about people that have been

01:17:22

antagonistic about him or to him like

01:17:25

Summers and fouchy did surprise me

01:17:27

particularly after years of him sending

01:17:29

out these tweets every morning about

01:17:31

people that are antagonistic about him

01:17:33

and it was quite refreshing honestly and

01:17:34

it felt different so you know I will

01:17:37

give him credit on that point I will I

01:17:38

will like agree with you on that SX for

01:17:40

sure the point is I think that we had an

01:17:42

opportunity to interview the president

01:17:43

of the United States and that was great

01:17:45

congrats I think we talked about a broad

01:17:47

spectrum of issues I wish we had more

01:17:49

time I think he answered them precisely

01:17:52

and I think he was candid and think that

01:17:55

he gave us new

01:17:57

information which I think is important

01:17:59

and I think it allowed you guys to see

01:18:01

what I

01:18:03

saw which is if you're an independent or

01:18:08

not a republican quote unquote by

01:18:11

name and you have a preconceived notion

01:18:14

of what president Trump is like it's

01:18:17

very difficult to keep that notion is my

01:18:19

point after you hear him and after you

01:18:21

meet him and I think that that's a very

01:18:24

important thing to keep in mind because

01:18:26

I don't think it says as much about

01:18:28

President Trump as it does about the

01:18:30

lens with which we are taught to think

01:18:32

about all of these people including

01:18:34

President

01:18:36

Biden so I would just say you got to

01:18:39

think for yourself and that's the most

01:18:42

important takeaway and I think that we

01:18:43

are giving people ground truth data to

01:18:46

underwrite your own opinion all right

01:18:48

everybody this has been another amazing

01:18:49

episode of the all in podcast thank you

01:18:51

David St for getting president Trump to

01:18:52

come on President Biden you are of

01:18:54

course inv to come on we encourage you

01:18:56

to come on give us 50 minutes give us an

01:18:58

hour and a half whatever you got no

01:19:00

we've asked we've asked we're waiting

01:19:01

I'm just restating it for the record

01:19:04

that if he by some means somebody in his

01:19:06

group says we should you know talk to

01:19:08

the all in team since they're a top 10

01:19:10

pocket and every other presidential

01:19:11

candidate's been on who knows maybe

01:19:13

somebody decides he's going to be able

01:19:15

to keep up with the group I don't think

01:19:17

he can keep up that's the big challenge

01:19:19

for the Rainman David Sachs shth paa

01:19:22

your chairman dictator and the S of

01:19:24

science David Freer I am the

01:19:26

world's greatest moderator didn't

01:19:28

moderate today it's sure guest a great

01:19:31

job we'll see you next time great job

01:19:33

love you boys

01:19:35

byee let your winners

01:19:42

ride and instead we open source it to

01:19:45

the fans and they've just gone crazy

01:19:47

with it love queen of

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